Step Out of the Disease and Into the Solution

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Mike: Welcome everybody. This is Avoiding the Addiction Affliction, brought to you by Westwords Consulting, the Kenosha County Substance Use Disorder Coalition, and by a grant from the state of Wisconsin's Dose of Reality Real Talks reminding you that opioids are powerful drugs and that one pill can kill. I'm Mike McGowan.

Mike: For many people in recovery there's a specific moment in time they can point to when their life turns around. At that moment, life one becomes life two. We're gonna talk about that moment in the life two of our terrific guest today, Dr. Robb Kelly. Robb Kelly was born in Manchester, England into a family that had a history of alcoholism. Sounds familiar to me.

Mike: He obtained his doctorate in psychology from Oxford University and is now the founder of the Robb Kelly Recovery Group. In addition to being an accomplished author and an internationally sought out speaker, welcome Dr. Robb.

Robb: Thank you Mike. Great to be here. Hey guys, this is gonna be a good one.

Mike: I deliberately left off a few details in your introduction for one reason. Okay. One of the things when I was reading about you, Dr. Robb, that had me shaking my head, how does somebody obtain a doctorate from Oxford when he is drinking as heavily as you were?

Robb: Yeah. You know, it's crazy days.

Robb: There was a lot of people paid off.

Mike: (laughs)

Robb: I come up on the project how very poor family got lots of friends around me and my, my best friend's father was a Freemason and it's very serious over there, and they needed an organist for their 500th birthday or something. So I stepped in and, you know, [inaudible] is the next thing I know I've got a scholarship to Oxford University.

Mike: Wow.

Robb: I was drinking like crazy. I was also a session musician at the time, so I was playing a lot of Abbey Road in London, so I was getting paid a fortune. So yeah, there was a lot of people paid off on my own merit, no. On my drinking, no. I'm quite adamant and, and straightforward about that.

Robb: You know, it wasn't my education got me there at all. But it seems like I've gone through a series of things in my life that's caught me onto the next thing and a miracle happens and then I move on to the next thing. And that's been my life for the last 45 years.

Mike: Serendipity's a real thing.

Robb: I know. I used to put it down to coincidence since, you know, maybe this, that, and you look back now and you go, oh my goodness. You know, I was chosen. I was always chosen to do what I'm doing now and helping people.

Mike: Yeah. You mentioned Abbey Road, but I mentioned in the introduction of family, you were like a lot of us, me too.

Mike: You're surrounded by alcoholism in your family. And then, you know, as a session musician, there's a, I don't know if it's a myth or a reality. We've had several people on surrounded by temptation, drugs and alcohol in that environment. Was anybody concerned? Did anybody say, Hey, Robb.

Robb: Well, it was my uncle that gave my first beer.

Robb: I remember it to this day. It was Liverpool. It was a club in Liverpool, huge club, huge stage. And eight, nine, the curtains opened and I froze like every 9-year-old kid would do. Got my aunt, uncle, I'd be okay, and I went off the halftime session for 30 minutes. We, the rest time, and he gave me a beer, gave me his half a beer and said, drink this.

Robb: And my whole world just changed right there and then. You ask normal people, they say, oh no, I spat it, it was horrible. If you're an alcoholic, you know exactly what I'm talking about guys. That feeling is, ah, this is what's gonna do it for me, nothing else.

Mike: Yep. Well, and for me, Dr. Robb, it's not the first beer or the first drink that does it.

Mike: It's the second, third, and fourth when you realize it does the same darn thing every single time. You just need a little bit more of it.

Robb: Yeah, I agree. I was chasing that first drink that thing of that first drink I thought I was chasing, but never quite got it back.

Mike: Well, so you got through Oxford with the doctorate and then you went, I know we're gonna skip here, but you went from doctorate to homeless.

Robb: Yeah, I think I must've been the only guy with a PhD and homeless. Though I met some doctors and scientists and stuff on the streets that were homeless as well. Yeah, I mean it was vicious. The alcoholism took me, my family, my kids, housewife, car, kids, sisters, brother, everything. Until one day I sat on the streets in the middle of Manchester and I remember thinking, what the hell just happened?

Robb: What went wrong? So I could never see that. So the definition of insanity to me is me not being able to see my own truth 'cause I couldn't see it coming. There was drinking every day, morning till night. Passing out, getting up and driving drunk out every single day. Taking my kids, young babies in the car drunk.

Robb: You know, it's crazy.

Mike: I mentioned life one, life two in the introductions, and you just skimmed over it right now. Talk about that day in Manchester where you had that epiphany.

Robb: So, I've been on the streets for about 14 months.

Mike: 14 months, over a year.

Robb: Yeah, over a year on the streets. I actually died twice on the streets and they brought me back to life.

Robb: The EMS brought me back to life and I hated them then for that Mike.

Mike: Mm-hmm.

Robb: Period. And then one morning, and I'm back out of town where the offices and factories are. There's no houses, no people in sites around two or three in the morning. It's pouring down with rain and coming out of yet another blackout, and I drop down to my hands and knees.

Robb: And I started to cry like a baby. Sobbing, sobbing, and it still lives with me today. I remember the rain hitting on the back of my head, running around mixing with my tears and hitting the cobble stones like a blue color, and I was sobbing and for whatever reason, as an atheist, I looked into the sky and said, if there is a God up there, I can't do this on my own anymore.

Robb: 30 seconds later, a guy walked around the corner, his name was Derek. He said, are you okay? And I said, no, I'm dying. He took me back to his house, he fed me, showered, and then he said, Robb, you can stay there for as long as you want, man. You've gotta come to AA meetings with me. I cannot have you drinking in the house, man. I'm a recovering alcoholic.

Robb: So I went to this meeting the very next day I met him. I went to the meeting and I didn't like it. And this guy started sharing war stories and stuff. And then this guy said, my name's John and I'm a recovered alcoholic. I turned to Derek. Who said, what did he just say? Said, he said he's recovered. Recovered, what's he talking about?

Robb: So I'm mad, but I listen to him. He makes sense. He's talking about, guys, how about this and this? After the meeting, I walked over to it, said, Joe, my name's Robb. You sponsor me. And he said, no, but I will be a spiritual advisor for 12 weeks. So I left Derek's every Wednesday 6:00 AM got there for seven, left at eight, back for nine.

Robb: That was my routine for 12 weeks. What was odd is when I got there it was the second floor, I had to wait downstairs till one minute to seven and I woke up, knock on the door at seven, he'd bring me in and then no matter what we were talking about or doing, and one minute to eight he'd stand up and he walked me out.

Robb: Did that for 12 weeks. He told me I'd come to America, he told me things would change. Told me that God sent me all these messages. And he said, Robb, you asked them to change till tomorrow. And I said, John, thank you so much for what you've done. I love you, blah, blah, blah. But I'm living in Derek's basement on a block mattress.

Robb: Nobody knows I'm there. The very next day, Derek comes home lunchtime instead of five o'clock. This guy just packed his job in at the factory sweeping the floors. Do you want a job? I didn't think about [inaudible] did the job. It turned into a full-time job. Two or three weeks later, I get my first pay packet.

Robb: Advised John, a little teddy bear and a card, and I wrote on the card. Thank you, John, for introducing me to God because He with capital H. Took the compulsive away and I went back to his apartment. And Mike, I'm so excited to get there. I want to tell him everything that's happened that he said would come to everything.

Robb: Knocks on the door. No answer. Knocks again, no answer. The lady from the right apartment stuck her head out and he says, can I help you? I said, where's John? John moved to [inaudible] grayish. John who? I said, John, your neighbor. I've only been here for two months. I've never seen anybody there. I work night shifts, so, okay.

Robb: Went around to the left hand side, knocks on that door. Big guy comes to the door, what do you want? So where's John moved to? What do you mean? John? And John, your next door neighbor. Has he moved? What's, what's wrong with you? He went on to tell me that that apartment was [inaudible] and if I was to walk through that door where there used to be tape, I'd fall down two flights and kill myself.

Robb: So I come away thinking, these guys are crazy. So I'm gonna go back to the meeting where I met John, and I'm gonna ask John about these crazy neighbors. Next day Teddy Bear card went to the meeting and I, I've never been there ever since. And he said, Robb, chairman, Robb I said, thank God for that. I thought, I'm going crazy man.

Robb: These people just, John's gotta come here. And he said, John, who? I said the guy was over in the coffee machine talking to him and he said, oh my goodness, Robb, you are at the coffee machine speaking to yourself. We thought you was praying. Never found that man. That's why we have a 99% success rate.

Robb: It's not this behind me, it's what he taught me. And in neuroscience I learned today. It's like nobody gets put in front of me by mistake.

Mike: That's like a Twilight Zone episode.

Robb: Hundred percent. I would not tell that story for 10 years Mike. I thought people would think I was saying I'll make it up or stupid.

Mike: Yeah. Yeah.

Robb: People go, I have the same story, and they tell me their story of John. Unbelievable. And you know, I've died over here. Then went back to life. I was over. It was just, the things have been through, I should have died about a hundred times, but I'm still here, you know, and I'm still helping people.

Robb: And one of the things we're big on here is, you know, we're a big company. You have five [inaudible] around the world. This is one of my four companies I have. He's giving back. I have to give 25% of this company's income, which is millions back into the community. I have to keep my feet on the ground. I have to constantly give back because John passed this on for one reason to make sure other people don't suffer like I did. And pardon me, we were the first people to bring in with family dynamic systems. When you go into treatment, you bring their family in once a month and you know, bash down or [inaudible], that they don't do that. We treat the patient and we treat your wife separately and we make 'em sprint to their own rafts.

Robb: With anxiety, PTSD, and we bring them that together as a unit, as we do both of their work. So. Yeah. I mean, everything we do is, is well before its time. We, we don't do therapy. We had to class ourselves as coaches because we cross state lines. And you know, the funny thing is, Mike, when I first came here and I changed all my licensing over to Texas, within six months we'd been here, they stripped me on my license saying I was harming people and all this stuff.

Robb: And now a couple of months later we've got it back. I lecture to those guys today. The power of neuroscience, epigenetics, and human science.

Mike: Well, you talk about in your writings, you talk about the problem is not our drinking. It's our thinking.

Robb: Yeah.

Robb: Where the hell did I get that from? I'll tell you, I'm outside a liquor store. Freezing cold, sweating profusely. We've got shorts, vest, pair of flip flops, snowing, sweating. The guy lets me in early. It's not supposed to let me in, but he knows I've been there for a year or so, and for whatever reason, I was shaking. I was trembling. I couldn't put, I was a bit like that because I'm going into BT's.

Robb: If I don't get alcohol or a hospital. I'm gonna die. Simple as that. I put my 10 count on the counter one day and put the bottle on this idea.

Robb: Everything went back to normal. Sweating, stop, instant, great mood. I remember looking at the bottle now opened, looking back at the shopkeeper. If I can slow motion, I look back again and went, holy shit, it's not the alcohol. And that's where it changed for me to, when I got finally got off the streets, I dedicated my life to.

Robb: Nobody knows anything about alcohol. Medical fraternity is still baffled with alcoholism. It's the disease. Why? The hypothalamus, [inaudible] the amygdala is drug addiction of disease. Now see personality, and we spend millions of dollars on these researchers. That's why we're the number one guys right now. It's like we, this is the levy man.

Robb: This is life for us, you know?

Mike: Yeah.

Robb: I will never go anyone's show and go, Hey, come visit a website. We can work with you. First of all, no you can't. Secondly, you need an assessment and that's not the reason we're on. We see Courtney, we turn down hundreds of these a month. Courtney goes around and finds somebody who's changing the world and making a difference, hopefully that not a lot of people know.

Robb: And then she humbly asked because Mike me and you can save a life today, [inaudible].

Mike: Absolutely.

Mike: Well, how do you go about doing that then? How do you change that thinking and rewire the brain?

Robb: So the first thing we stumbled upon is childhood trauma, not the therapy childhood trauma. I mean, the real deep childhood trauma that was normalized back in the day.

Mike: Yeah.

Robb: So when we have trauma back in the day, which 90% of especially women, were never validated for that trauma. They were never set on a [inaudible] or validated. Or approved. That actually happened. It was all swept under. So two parts of your brain, subconscious, conscious. The subconscious wakes up every morning, lack of oxygen, loves the hypothesis situations. That's where all the bad stuff is, and people will tell you that we can't remember, and we have tools to pull that out of you. So once we attack the subconscious mind and make sure we come up with conscious mind every day we clear that trauma up. We redirect and repattern the brain.

Robb: We make sure the body's getting oxygen and stuff like that. We have a system called Nine Dimensional Breath Work, which is a recovery tool for any kind of stuff the DNA changes, and we've proven that. Once you go through the program, your DNA changes, so we're not the guys at the top of the phone book, but we're not the guys on TV shouting and screaming who we are.

Robb: We're the guys, [inaudible], all the CEOs. We're the guys that homeless people come to. I mean, we're just quietly here doing what we do with five offices around the world, making sure that we guarantee that you'll recover. Whoop, whoop. We're the only people in the world Mike that will refund your money if you relapse after finishing with it, how insane is that?

Robb: 'Cause we are onto something. I wish I could sit and tell you this is clever. It's humanly impossible to be what I get. I have God's help.

Mike: You know, you talk about that at the Robb Kelly Group, Recovery Group. You believe the true test of recovery comes after you leave treatment. It's important, right, to help the people in the environment in which they live.

Mike: Not in an isolated environment where everything can be controlled.

Robb: Wow. You're the only person that's said that to me 15 years of doing this. Yeah, you can't. You go to treatment for 30 days, get locked away. So this is a typical scenario. Let's say you have a house where you live with the wife and kids.

Robb: Let's say that that house speaks Chinese. So you all speak Chinese. It's like picking somebody from that house, taking 'em over to treatment, sticking 'em in the treatment center. Recovery has its own language. So let's say it's English, so now it's floating in English. We're picking back up. We stick it back in the Chinese speaking house.

Robb: It's gonna start speaking Chinese again. That's what happens in recovery. You have to take the patient and take anybody over the age of 18 in the house, mom and let's say daughter, and each has to work on their childhood trauma. And we get this with the wives most of the time. "Well, it's nothing to do with me! It is his doing. You know, I don't see why I've gotta do this."

Robb: Because we won't take him on if she doesn't participate.

Mike: Mmm.

Robb: And they say to her, okay, well if it's not your childhood trauma, can you explain to me why you let your husband come on two or three nights a week and physically beat you in front of your seven month old child or 5-year-old child.

Robb: Why'd you let that happen? And then the tears starts like you going through PTSD, you're going through your old trauma. We have to get you on the same language, the same vibration, the same frequency, and living that new life.

Mike: You know, families have a tendency to want to maintain the status quo.

Robb: Yes.

Mike: Because 'cause even if it's dysfunctional, they're comfortable there. Right. And change is hard for people.

Robb: Yeah. Because right after childhood, there are a lot of people in this world that have to live in dysfunction. So you always get one in the office or something. That always causes arguments, always talking around people's part because when there's an argument they feel comfortable because they'd be brought up in that environment.

Robb: Now it's the same with a girl growing up inside a house where dad comes home and gets into a fist fight with mother the next morning to go, I love you. Oh, I'm sorry. I love you too. The child grows up thinking that physical violence is, and alcoholism is common law. So when she leaves with the power of the mind.

Robb: She will attract the same guy that ends up beating her and drinking too much because that's comfortable. If she meets a good guy, she will self-sabotage that relationship 'cause it doesn't feel comfortable or normal to her

Mike: Or weird. They define it even as weird.

Robb: Yes, exactly. And we self-sabotage in so many ways, but it's all behavioral patterns going back of how we grow what was said.

Robb: All that's great stuff around you. I was told by my mother, don't miss a stupid Robbert. You can't go to college like you're [inaudible] too stupid. That's what my mom told me. And it crucified me until about four years ago when I had to go back and do my deep, deep, deep trauma that we do here. But yeah, these little things stick in the subconscious brain.

Robb: And if you are the person that can't keep a job, can't get a relationship, mostly depressed, nothing's working out for you, you have childhood trauma, period. Everybody has it. Go back and sort that shit out. Otherwise it'll sort you out. There's no such thing as "I didn't suffer from...". Yes, you did. When we go deep, you did, I don't care, $20 million house in Dallas who went absolutely dysfunction and abandonment of children that grew up dysfunction.

Robb: So go back, find what it is. We have a software called Nine Dimensional Breath Work, which is nine subliminal messaging and stuff that brings that trauma out so you can get rid of it. Start living your life.

Mike: Or you have to sit with the pain and, or, you know, not avoid it. Right. You have to sit there and, and even ignore what it is.

Robb: Yeah, if you don't do that, you don't become friends with it. You don't become friends with it, you can't, you know, you have to get close. You have to sit there, you have to go through the pain. And I think the twofold, first person in the heart trying to men, but most importantly, can you imagine sitting down with somebody that's going through what you've been through and showing them a way out.

Robb: See what a lot of people don't know while we're doing this. Recovered alcoholics and addicts. Doctors can't do what we do. Scientists can't, surgeons can't [inaudible]. And he takes him through this horrendous training. It's like my homelessness and kids loss was like a semester at Harvard University for me.

Robb: What got totally in there, you have to go through. Now, a lot of people don't make it because it's too painful and suicide just can't do it anymore. But for those guys that do, we are chosen, we are chosen to change the world. So if you've gone through all this, you've changed, you've got this new life and you're not helping anybody go drink!

Robb: Alcohol has one percent to do with alcoholism, guys. It's what you can take into this world. How can we change the world one person, not alcoholic and addict. We cover everything. We cover PTSD, we cover Alzheimer's, we cover depression. All this stuff to do with psych. Same program, same result.

Robb: But if you are constantly not giving back and working with what I call God's kids, it's all gonna be taken away from you, man. That's just the way it is. It's like going to the army and then taking you through medical school. You have to stay another three to four years after that. And if you go, they want the money back.

Robb: You know. I think it's the same thing with God, you know, he wants it back. You're not gonna use it. I've trained you for like 15 years, but for all this horrendous stuff and now you're just gonna walk away. No, it doesn't work like that.

Mike: Well, that must be where your statement of that read you, you said, step outta the disease, step into the solution.

Mike: That's a really empowering statement, Dr. Robb.

Robb: Most people will stay in the disease. Most people will stay in marriages, relationships way longer than they should because it's a comfort zone. Even if it's hard, violent, you know, it becomes a comfort zone. So we stick in that disease again, not even disease of the mind, not even alcohol is just the place we stay, jobs way too long.

Robb: You know, the solution is, are you happy every day? Well, you can't be happy every day Dr. Robb. Says who?

Mike: Huh.

Robb: Says who? Who's making [inaudible]? 'Cause I'm a 10 outta 10 every single day, and I have better days than others. Don't get me wrong. But I do not have my days that have never had 'em for the last 20 years.

Robb: You know, so when you step in the solution, you know your study what's called a sunlight scope and nobody can touch you. And if you do the right thing and work with God's kids and get people well and love people and all the little things that we do for charities and stuff and we never turn anybody down and you know, vets never pay any of my offices around the world, then God will give you stuff.

Robb: God will [inaudible], he wants to give us so much, but we ask for so little. You have to believe, guys, you have been chosen. You are the empowered one here. We've taken power from far less. These are the lessons we learn. Stand up, be counted. Be a leader and start working. You're supposed to, if you want that job on 80 grand a year and you're on 20 now, start hanging around.

Robb: The guys. Earn 80 grand a year and claim that 80 grand a year and act and walk and talk and restroom and whatever as that guy. If you're hanging around 90 plus people, you will become the 10th. If you hang around nine successful people and you get the [inaudible], it's like, show me your friends. I'll show you your future.

Robb: We are people [inaudible] monkey see monkey do, going back to primates.

Mike: Well, gosh, look at our culture right now.

Robb: Yes, exactly.

Mike: You hang around with angry people. We create more angry people.

Robb: Yeah. You go to any of these stuff that's going out past to America, these riots in [inaudible]. Put one person out, sitting down and say what you protesting for.

Robb: [inaudible] Herd, follow the herd. We're not herd people, guys. If you're listening to this show, you're not listening by mistake. That's something else I've found out over the 64 years I been being on. This is nothing happens by mistake. We like to think it. Wow, what a coincidence, Mike and I, we now it's already, this is already in the making a hundred years ago, maybe.

Robb: You know, it's, it's crazy the way it works out.

Mike: I think a lot of people, and you must think this too, a lot of people are afraid, Dr. Robb, to draw healthy boundaries for themselves. It's easier to just keep the, the boat heading in the direction that it's in, and especially when those healthy boundaries involve their own family, where some of that trauma comes from.

Robb: It really is, you know, if you can heal and go back and heal it like I did with mom and dad, it's great. If you can't during this process, there's loved ones that you need to let go of unfortunately. And a lot of 'em are parents who have in doctrine this belief system in you. And then you grow up and you find out that mom and dad weren't all that good.

Robb: And it's not their fault, by the way, they weren't stressed that completely. They taught from their parents and their parents. It's not their fault, but you realize that the way you are now is a direct correlation of how you were treated. How you were spoke to, in what tone, but you know, all this, all this stuff directly affects our little life.

Robb: And people don't think that's the case. But I'm just unlucky in childhood of trauma, [inaudible] child of trauma. Everything we hear, see, feel, touch still in our subconscious brain. You know, babies are born with two fears, falling, loud noises, the rest are man made. Wait till your father gets home... If you don't get that... BS is what it is. Needs to be released more. 99% of people right now are living in fear. You wanna cut that down by 4%, turn the TV off.

Mike: Yes.

Robb: [inaudible] percent straight away. The second is to be able to live in the now. Our world, our life, our being, our existence is right now, [inaudible].

Robb: So the brain resets every 24 hours. We had today. And so yeah. What can you do today to save a life? What can you do today? I always say this to people, the cover of many people do stuff we're not supposed to do with alcohol. Do stuff we're not supposed to do as depressed people. Go do it. 'cause you, you're quite well, I've not been to college.

Robb: Who cares? You can start an empire in your own bedroom. Are you kidding me? No, but we don try again. You never, then got enough. He never went to college and he didn't do this. Says, who? Who's making these rules up guys? I don't like them. I don't think you should like 'em guys, you are a listener for a reason.

Robb: You are listening to this for a reason. Come on, open your eyes and stand up and be counted, be leaders.

Mike: Well, when you touched on it before, but your group offers a ton of services.

Robb: Yeah, we, you know, people, we used to be alcohol and drugs to start with, but anything to do with mental health. So again, the anxiety is the PTSD right across.

Robb: We're in early stages right now. And I think it's gonna shock. Well, we're, we're speaking to JFK right now, our health minister, we're doing early stages Alzheimer's and dementia. Where we've seen a 30% increase in short term memory with some Alzheimer's patients. So yeah, we cover anything. When you call our place, you go, Hey, have you do you do blah, blah, blah.

Robb: We go, yeah. We go, really? Yep. We cover it and we put the phone down and we give them hope and then scramble around for somebody who's capable of doing it.

Mike: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Robb: People need to hear. Yeah. Yeah, because it really will. I mean, we, we've never failed yet what we do, but it's harsh. It's very, very harsh and it's doing psych, with the guys, man.

Robb: Because again, it's not about the alcohol, food, porn, and sex, not about that guys. It's not about the depression. It's not about, there's something deep rooted going on. When we find out that alcohol is 1% to do, then you've gotta start thinking, wow, what's the other 99%? Well, it's here. If you knew how powerful the mind was it will freak you out.

Robb: And you were changed instantly for today, mind over the brain is matter. Mind over matter, this guy in the morning with the conscious and subconscious and run the day. So the with subconscious brain [inaudible], lack of oxygen doing and because of in care between two and five and enormous circadian sleep pattern is when most work has been done.

Robb: Also, where most people [inaudible] up would cause. We have a system. First thing on wakes us up. We have a system to smash this guy in the 24 hour subconscious brains gone 'cause it eats oxygen. This guy, the conscious brain, is now limited for the next 16- 17,000 [inaudible]. You know, it was happened from the conscious brain.

Robb: Bad [inaudible] happen [inaudible] for the subconscious brain. And the way we test this out for people, we're asking two questions. Give me a good memory from childhood.

Robb: Oh, I went to the [inaudible], okay, gimme a bad Oh, when [inaudible] means you're coming from a conscious brain with all the trauma you live that traumatizing life. There was a great, I forget where the line come from, but they took a prisoner's walk from England over to, I think it was Japan, to see the all, you know, the stuff that happened over there.

Robb: And he was 10 ex soldiers [inaudible]. And the interviewer asked all 10 of them do you forgive them. One person said, no, I didn't forgive them. And they, and the interview said, well, they still have you captured in prison, don't they? If you don't let go of the past 'cause it's no use to you, you'll live the past. That's not how human beings are supposed to live.

Robb: We have this nine dimensional thing. Like I said, we do it online and personally, you basically put your headphones in and it's nine dimensions, subliminal messagings, brand new on the market. And when you take 'em off, they go, oh my God! What was that? It was amazing. I feel fantastic. And we say to them, no, you don't.

Robb: You feel normal. This is the way we're supposed to feel every day. Our diets, the pharmaceutical drugs, our life in general, pulls us down, pulls us down until you start acting like they do. And if yourself, it's hard for one person to, to change nine people Mike, but it's easy for nine people to change one person.

Robb: How do we know that? The experiment in the reception, we brought nine actors in, and you were told that when a buzzer goes, you stand up in the waiting room and you sit down. And we had one patient, they knew nothing about this. The stake was set. All 10 sat down. Ah, the nine people stood up the door was on her phone, looked up briefly, 45 seconds, like ah, the nine people stood up.

Robb: She put her phone down and she's looking around. The third person, she stood up with everybody else as we called them in one by one. She's on her own in the waiting room. Yeah, she's fed up. That's how easy it's to catch that negative behavior of people or crazy behavior. You hung around them long enough, you'll become [inaudible]

Mike: Well, and that's the walk off, right? That healing from addiction and trauma just takes what a little courage, persistence, and work.

Robb: Yeah. And knowledge from what the other person knows is very important. So great spots and stuff like that we use to public out, but yeah.

Robb: If you get the right people around you, if you're seeing the right people you can literally be anybody you want to be.

Mike: Mm.

Robb: I always, I don't know, I just said this, but when I first came over with things that Americans always used say to me when go, you can do anything you want to do, they always used to say, well, I can't be president of the United States.

Robb: Ha ha ha ha ha. Let's forget your political views for a second, guys. And I think you know where I'm going. We have a businessman running the country with no political experience whatsoever. Don't dare tell me you can't achieve your dreams. It, it's not true. Somebody's put that there. You've gotta start saying, says who?

Mike: Sounds great, Dr. Robb, thank you so much for sharing your time and your expertise in there. Just amazing story, just amazing story.

Mike: Those of you who listen regularly know that we will put links to the Robb Kelly Recovery Group on the blurb for the podcast. We thank you always for listening, watching.

Mike: We hope you find love, courage, support, and take that first step wherever you are. As always, thanks for listening. Be safe, and as Dr. Robb would say. Just step into the solution.